Tuesday, November 21, 2006

Re: A tale of two newspapers and two political parties and a liberal's comments

My last post about how the SL Tribune was hoping that members of the LDS Church drank it’s Kool-Aid about how Brother “Dirty Harry” Reid was the best thing since sliced bread generated a bunch of posts from the liberal side of the blogosphere. I'm assuming that they are from the same person but would not be surprised if not. Since the comments got kind of long, I think Blogspot started truncating them, so I decided to bring the last two forward and devote a whole post to them.

We were discussing the difference between President Klinton’s military service and President Bush’s military service and why one was important during an election and the other wasn’t when this liberal poster decided to go off on a tangent and start quoting scriptures from the Book of Mormon. For those readers of the Warren who are not familiar with LDS Scriptures, the Book of Mormon is another testament of the divinity of Jesus Christ (the Bible being the first) and contains the history of two peoples, the Nephites and the Lamanites who came to the American continent 600 years before the birth of Christ and who lived here up until about 400 years. It gives the history of their interactions, prophecies, ministries, wars, etc. and the visit of the resurrected Lord to the people on the American continent. The Doctrine and Covenants are revelations that Joseph Smith received concerning the re-establishment of the Gospel on the earth.

The Great El-ahrairah wrote, "Wow, can you say liberal troll? Well, you better get the bucket ready because here it comes! Cut and run! Cut and run! Cut and run! Cut and run! Cut and run!"

That's an interesting concept but as a Mormon I must oppose the war in Iraq if I wish to be consistent with the teachings of the Scriptures which condemn pre-emptive war.

It looks like you are getting the difference between pre-emptive war and defensive war mixed up. Pre-emptive wars are wars of aggression (think wars started by Nazi Germany or Japan) with the intent of enslaving populations and conquering territory. Defensive wars are those conducted to protect one’s lives, families, homes, countries, etc. Since you feel that the war in Iraq is a pre-emptive war, I would like you to explain to me how we are enslaving the population of Iraq and/or conquering its territory. Oh yes, we invaded Iraq for the oil, right? If this is so, why is the price of gasoline over $2.00 per gallon? Oh, I forgot. It’s because of President Bush’s friends, the evil oil companies who are gouging the American public, right? I’m waiting for you to start spouting “Bush Lied, People Died!”

For those of you who are Mormon I suggest you read the Book of Mormon, the Bible, and the Doctrine and Covenants and strive to live the Gospel instead of twisting the Gospel and the Scriptures to reflect the Republican Party platform and agenda.

I don’t have to twist anything. Republican Party is against abortion, gay marriage and stem cell research. The Democratic Party is for all three. Which party supports the teachings of the Gospel more according to you?

Ever hear of Moroni, or Mormon? What would they have to say to you LDS Nephites when you say we should go up into the lands of the Lamanites and strike them there? What would they say about your desire to go up after the Gadianton Robbers?

And what about Old Testament Prophet Joshua when the Israelites moved into the Promised Land and started killing the population and taking their cities? Was he not commanded by the Lord to do so? Would we not consider this to be genocide today? I don’t remember that there were any discussions on whether they attacked the Israelites first or not.

Or better yet, maybe you think President Kimball was wrong when he described you: "We are a warlike people, easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel -- ships, planes, missiles, fortifications -- and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become antienemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan's counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior's teaching: Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven"

I guess that’s why I follow a living prophet and you’ve obviously heard the warning about following dead prophets. Although President Kimball was a great prophet, he died about 20 years ago (I think) during the height of the Cold War. Today, our enemies are not Communists, but terrorists who would only too gladly kill us because we are (take your pick) 1) Christians, 2) Americans, 3) support Israel or 4) breathing their air. Do you think that we should just rollover and watch while Air Jihadi flys passenger airliners into buildings? If it was left up to you, I bet you would only too gladly convert to Islam to save your life. Get a clue. They want us dead and really don’t care how it is done.

Having studied Islam just a bit, the thing that strikes me is that the concept of free agency does not exist. You either do what they say or die. How does that make you feel that a religion that wants to destroy our free agency is attacking our country? Sound like something that you heard before in the Book of Mormon?

I would like to know where the President Kimball quote came from since I would like to see for myself when he made this quote or if you are quoting it out of context.

Of course, the Prophets in the scriptures don't know what they are talking about and their words were meant for the wicked of their generation. All the talk about the Book of Mormon being the word of God meant for us today is just hogwash isn't it? I am beginning to believe that Republicans have never read the Scriptures.

I cannot talk for all Republicans, but I do read the scriptures and also the Koran. I suggest that you not only read them, but try to understand what you read since it seems to me that you don’t.

This next comment was truncated but since I have all comments sent to my email account, I was able to post it here.

I would suggest you stop posting on this Blog and start reading the scriptures. It might help you out a lot if you were to do so.

See above.

Of course you think Mormon was a retard when he said, "And it came to pass that I, Mormon, did utterly refuse from this time forth to be a commander and a leader of this people, because of their wickedness and abomination" in response to the people when they said, "And they did swear by the heavens, and also by the throne of God, that they would go up to battle against their enemies, and would cut them off from the face of the land."

Mormon was a great commander of the Nephites armies. He left the command of the Nephite armies because the people would not repent of their abominations and thank the Lord for their deliverance. Please quote the entire scripture next time.

Of course you think that Gidgiddoni was even more dumb when that stupid Democrat said, "Now the people said unto Gidgiddoni: Pray unto the Lord, and let us go up upon the mountains and into the wilderness, that we may fall upon the robbers and destroy them in their own lands. But Gidgiddoni saith unto them: The Lord forbid; for if we should go up against them the Lord would deliver us into their hands; therefore we will prepare ourselves in the center of our lands, and we will gather all our armies together, and we will not go against them, but we will wait till they shall come against us; therefore as the Lord liveth, if we do this he will deliver them into our hands."

Gidgiddoni was yet another great Nephite general. He was also a brilliant tactician and he knew already that fighting the Gadianton robbers on their terrain was useless. He also knew that the robbers would attack on a certain day, so instead, what did he do? Since the Gadianton robbers lived off the plunder that they took from their victims, so he instituted a “scorched earth” policy and assembled the whole Nephite nation into one fortified place, destroying everything that could be of use to the robbers outside of the fortifications in the same way that armies since then (think of Sheman’s March to the Sea during the Civil War and the Soviet’s scorched earth policy in Russia during World War II) have done. As the scriptures testify, the robbers had no supplies to sustain their war of aggression and were defeated after a number of years.

Please tell me what you think of the Prophets and of the scriptures?

See above.

Well, now that that is finished, we can get back to our regularly scheduled program of making fun of liberals in America.


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